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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
Der Sri VSR,
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
Respected Vaishnava Bhagavathas,
Adiyen has a simple point of view, which adiyen feels should sound logical for any Sri Vaishnavan. It is clear from our mundane life experience as well as Srimad Bhagavatham, Srimad Bhagavat Geeta and many Vedic and Puranic scriptures about life, before and after life etc; that our body is matter and soul is the unseen connect, the driver. Our body is like the vehicle and the soul is the driver. Without the driver, the body is lifeless. That being the case, why connect/disconnect based on the religious markings on the forehead in the body. Amazingly we do not leave the discrimination of markings in people's foreheads alone but also involve the Almighty by marking accordingly the Moolavar, Utsava Murthy and the Azwars accordingly. It is like marking territories based on domination - sorry to say - like in the animal kingdom. What then will differentiate our method against the animal base methods? Not only reading the Bhagavatham and other scriptures like a newspaper but imbibing the hidden meaning. Sri Lakshmi Narayanan seeks and anticipates our pure love out of his limitless Compassion and mercy for us and not the markings. While adiyen was typing this, a black ant was crawling by my side carrying in its mouth a sugar cube (its quota of food for today). Adiyen tried hard but could not find any markings on its forehead but was yet again amazed by the limitless karunya of Perumal to ensure that each insect gets its food for the day!!! OM Namo Narayanaya!!!! JAI SRI RAM!!!!Dasan
Kann Kudutha Vanitham
Maadabhusi Ravi ( @ Srinivasan) S K Iyengar
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
Dear Sri Vaishnavas, and Sri Ravi Iyengar,
I have only generalised the there is some animosity between the two sects. But if you see the type of people who indulge in such activities in divya desams your blood will boil. with tuft dwadasa oordva pundram punja kacham the kind of language used by such people is unbearable. I have seen in close quarters. Under such circumstances you really get angry even with perumal for letting such people so close to him to do kainkaryams.
VSR
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
Dear Sri Vaishnavas, and Sri Ravi Iyengar,
I have only generalised the there is some animosity between the two sects. But if you see the type of people who indulge in such activities in divya desams your blood will boil. with tuft dwadasa oordva pundram punja kacham the kind of language used by such people is unbearable. I have seen in close quarters. Under such circumstances you really get angry even with perumal for letting such people so close to him to do kainkaryams.
VSR
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
Dear VSR Swami, I agree with you, Adiyen has also undergone such nasty comments and bad language. It is more pronounced in a very famous divya desam in the heart of chennai, near to the beach. I leave to your judgement swami. But Perumal is beyond all this, let us not involve him.
Dasan
RaviDasan
Kann Kudutha Vanitham
Maadabhusi Ravi ( @ Srinivasan) S K Iyengar
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai Let me give a quick and partial list of the 18 or so differences between the two kalais. Let me also add that the two kalais lived happily together despite their doctrinal differences up until about 300 or so years. A partial list of major differences on matters of doctrine and theology:
Partial list of cultural differences:No.
Concept Vadakalai Thenkalai 1. Who is supreme Ishwara? Sriman Narayana and Mahalakshmi Only Sriman Narayana, Mahalakshmi is a jeevatma 2. Who can grant mohsham? Sriman Narayana and/or Mahalakshmi can grant moksham Only Sriman Narayana can grant moksham 3. What is the role of Mahalakshmi? She acts as recommending agency (purushakaratvam) as well as moksham granting agency. She also joins Sriman Narayana as enjoyer of muktas service (bhokta) She only acts as recommending agency (purushakaratvam) and be bhokta along with Sriman Narayana. 4. What is the means (upaya) for moksham? Bhakti Yoga or Prapatti (total and unconditional surrender) Only Prapatti 5. What is prapatti? A separate ritual to be performed with the necessary prerequisites Just declaring oneself to be a Vaishnava via Panca Samskaram is prapatti. 6. Nitya Karma Must be performed by all, including sanyasees Need not be performed by prapannas, but must do anyway to set an example for others. 7. What about the papa karma of prapannas (ones who have performed prapatti)? Due to his unlimited compassion Sriman Narayana will erase the papa of prapannas? The lord actually loves to remove the sins of prapannas like a cow licks the impurities off of her calf, and like a lover enjoys the impurities in the body of the loved 8. Acharya paramparai Same as Thenkalai up until Ramanuja. The preeminent acharya after that is Swami Sri Desikan Same as Vadakalai up until Ramanuja. The preeminent acharya after that is Swami Manavala Mamunigal No.
Concept
Vadakalai
Thenkalai
1. Namam U shaped with turmeric srichoornam in yellow color Y shaped with turmeric srichoornam in red color 2. Prostration Four times Strictly one time 3. Madisar Different from smarta Similar to smarta 4. Serving food Rice and ghee first, everything else after that Everything first, then rice and ghee
I am sure I am missing a few, but I think I got most of them.
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Re: Vadakalai vs Thenkalai
We need not go into this complex matter now since from time immemorial dissimilarities do exist between the two sects and nothing has changed . We would
only be giving vent to our feelings in public which would not produce any desired result. As long as there is no unity between both thenkalai and vadakalai sects in
all respects the status quo ante would continue. Let us pray for the well being of all irrespective of the customs followed at different Vaishnavite temples.
PC RAMABADRAN
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Madam , The question has been raised first of all to know what is what from the scholars and further we have to educate our children about the richness of our culture and to advice them not to sink in differences your view and opinion about the thread to your age is most appreciable
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